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1. Billy Corgan- such a precipitous collapse and sell out has never occurred in the history of rock and roll. While totally dispelling rumors that he was the sole mastermind behind the Smashing Pumpkins, Corgan totally sold out for money by produced the lumbering and disgraceful “modern rock classic” (ha!) that is Zeitgeist. Siamese Dream is one of my favorite albums while Zeitgeist may well be my most hated one. I don’t know whether it is because it is awful (it honestly has the feel of a Nickelback album) or whether it is because it’s such a colossal disappointment; but the album was really a dagger in the heart of SP fans. To go from one of the leading innovators in rock to producing an album like Zeitgeist is almost unthinkable. It’s not just a misstep, it’s a career and legacy killer. At the time of their break up I refused to listen to Iha’s and Wretzky’s comments that Corgan is an asshole. Today, I have his picture on my wall with several knives stuck to it.

 

Billy Corgan Picture

2. Liz Phair- Liz Phair’s fall from grace is legendary to any lover of serious music. Exile and Guyville, Whip Smart, and whitechocolatespaceegg are great listens to anyone with decent taste in music. However, her self titled debacle marked a swift and revolting decent into mainstream (I use that word in its most negative sense), fake/angry/white chick territory. Not only was it a swift kick into thousands of fans asses, but the fact that she was so open about selling out was almost too much to take. Another thing that makes this album hurt so badly is that, sometimes, under those sterile vocals and lyrics, you catch a glimpse of the old Liz. Luckily, Phair doesn’t toy with you long; she is quick to deliver a sappy, contrived morsel to help you realize that the old Liz is dead. Many would have Phair’s sell out as number one, but I had to reserve that spot for a man that went from a veritable god to a spineless charlatan.

Liz Phair

 

3. Weezer- Man, Rivers Cuomo grosses me out. I don’t care if the reason for his sell out was caused by his OCDish yearning to be accepted (a theme made apparent in both pre and post sell out songs). The only defense I have for Weezer is that at least they warned us about Make Believe ahead of time. It wasn’t blatant, but if you assessed the pattern of each of their releases it should have warned you about what Make Believe was destined to become. Blue Album was incredible; Pinkerton was surprisingly good; Green Album had its moments; Maladroit really made you assess why you are a Weezer fan; anybody notice the downward spiral? As for Make Believe I will avoid obscenities and just say that it was in Zeitgeist territory. While it was kind of sad watching Weezer get progressively worse with each release, I now want to thank the band for giving us advanced warning about their latest record, and I only wish I was smart enough to listen.

Weezer band picture

 

4. Dave Grohl- Yes, Dave Grohl. This one might be a bit of a surprise for a lot of you. The first three are quite obvious, but I am going to make my case for the inclusion of Dave in sell out lists from this day on. Fact one: Dave Grohl was totally the man in Nirvana. Fact two: The Foo Fighters first release was quite good. Fact three: each album got progressively worse and more homogenous until Echoes mercifully broke the trend, proving to be a bit better than In Your Honor. Fact four: Dave is now extremely overrated and our hope for Dave to be Kurt’s successor is all but gone. Kurt Cobain certainly rolled over in his grave with the single that marked a crescendo in Dave Grohl’s sell out- “Best of You.” Although he has done it insidiously, the progression towards mediocrity (and into mainstream rock superhero) is undeniable. It took me years, but I now have the courage to say it. Dave Grohl, you are a sell out and your band is overrated!

 

Dave Grohl

5) Metallica- I made you guys sweat it out a little. I’m sure a couple of you were almost ready to write an incredulous comment asking where the !@#$ Metallica was. If there was a Princeton case study for the art of selling out, it would have to be conducted on Metallica. I have to admit, I’m not a typical Metallica fan, and I think that Black Album is their best work by far; so I guess take my words with a grain of salt. I’m even not a big fan of some of the classics, like “Master of Puppets” (I have suffered several hate messages over on the Metallica list for this). Yet I do join the ranks in asserting that anything this band has done and will do after Black Album is worthless. Apart from a couple decent singles from Load I have pretty much given up on hearing anything of interest from this band.

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bill - SP IP:205.158.76.102 | 2007-12-19 12:17:04
because i am such a smashing pumpkins fan, i love billy corgan. BUT.... zeitgeist was just ok. and how is green day not number one on this list...
Mac - Metallica IP:74.171.112.185 | 2007-12-20 11:17:58
Well...Metallica should be here thats for sure.

I'm more of an 83-89 Metallica fan, so the whole concept of them selling out hits home more so. The Black Album is far from their best work, and if you think it is, you aren't a real fan(in which you admitted).

There are a few songs from the albums from Load, Reload, Garage Inc and St. Anger that I enjoy, but those albums/songs still arent what Metallica REALLY is. Therefore, they are not only sellouts, but overrated because their reign over the metal world was only about 6 years long, or hell, 8 years if you count the Black Album.
Mac Sux - Black Album is the Best Thing IP:216.16.89.244 | 2008-05-06 22:22:48
Hey Mac, this is mostly in response to your comment about Metallica's early albums being what "Metallica really is". Are you some kind of silly little metal loving girl who can't grow up and move on with your life. You do realize that Reagan isn't president anymore. Stop living in the mid-80's dude. Those albums do not define Metallica, they are defined by who they are as people. Whatever they play they it because they want to play it. And you would not even have those early records, that frankly aren't that good anyway, if they did not create them. I will now list Metallica's albums in order of quality (Metallica, Master of Puppets, And Justice For All, Garage Inc., S&M, Ride the Lightning, Reload, Kill EM All, Load, St. Anger). I happen to like every album Weezer ever did so I wouldn't put them on the list. I am a huge Nirvana fan, but weren't they selling out by doing the whole MTV Unplugged show. They did king of admit later that it was selling out. Green Day is awesome, I don't think they sold out. Production will become cleaner as the technique becomes refined. It should be more about the message they are trying to send. I do believe that Green Day, Linkin Park, and other bands like that are genuine in their message. Green Day was doing it when no other mainstream band would call out the leaders of America in their music. And that made a connection, and they deserved the success that came their way. Just because every other band picked up on that trend does not mean that we should condemn Green Day.
Grudge - Dumbass IP:132.177.119.32 | 2007-12-20 13:10:09
You are a buffoon if you really think dave grohl is talentless. Do some research. He writes ALL PARTS OF THE FOO FIGHTERS SONGS. The band then plays what he already writes. You can't expect every song to be perfect - he is extremely talented and plays every frigging instrument.
Chris IP:67.8.220.131 | 2007-12-22 16:18:57
again No Doubt should have definately been on here. First of all they used to be fucking awesome (hello they played at the first ever warped tour) and then had the highest selling album of 1995 (Tragic Kingdom) and then of course Gwen Stefani went crazy and sings about cheerleading now hmm i think thats pretty sellout
Roger Sinclair - Phil Collins? IP:206.174.1.177 | 2007-12-24 03:39:44
Phill collins
bruce springsteen?
these are huge sell outs
Dennis - all-time sell-outs IP:76.116.188.157 | 2007-12-28 01:44:09
Paul McCartney. If there's any one talent that has fallen further into the dregs to slop up a buck it's that guy. Just listen to that "Christmas Time" song to relive the awfulness.
I agree with Metallica though. Though I've always considered the Black Album the beginning of the end.
TheFuzz - wrong.... IP:68.219.149.15 | 2007-12-28 21:55:29
The only thing wrong with this list is that Metallica fell to #5....they should be #1 after suing their fans.
Spencer - Maynard?? #1? IP:75.108.129.190 | 2007-12-31 08:16:59
I personally feel that James Keenan Maynard should be number one on this list, though I'm such a Tool freak, lets face it When it comes to Tool, they're selling 10 Tool picks non-auto'd for forty bucks, not to mention A perfect circle and all it's merchandise Maynard has put out for the band, and now Puscifer? With a ridiculous number one hit of Cuntry Boner and the fact that band was composed to sound like shit, lets face it... Maynard keeps coming back for more...

Just some input...
russel IP:70.168.108.26 | 2008-01-16 12:03:39
i would agree with this guy...gotta go maynard...
Bluto IP:70.191.162.50 | 2008-01-02 20:27:24
Dude, so SP made a bad album so what. Weezer is not a sell out,and Dave...REALLY DUDE???? This is gay and so are you
Brian - 90's IP:216.36.102.173 | 2008-01-04 12:22:21
Maybe this should be the top sell-outs of 90's rock.

How you could miss Jefferson Airplane/Starship is beyond me.
The Rock Czar - You are totally right IP:68.48.35.138 | 2008-01-05 01:02:57
I did miss that one... might replace Dave Grohl in my update later on...

Thanks

TRC
BG IP:67.187.24.126 | 2008-01-06 02:08:09
I think Linkin Park is a bunch of sellouts......They went really commercial and anti-war on this record. With them and Rick Ruben, this should have been a great metal record....welp, much to my surprise. It was garbage....If you get nominated for record of the year, your stuff sucks
Little Lizzard - Linkin Park IP:140.233.206.58 | 2008-04-02 15:10:35
To be considered a sellout you actually have to be good at some point.
The Rock Czar - Haha IP:71.166.34.62 | 2008-04-02 20:33:13
They're not "that bad," Dickinson.

TRC
nick - i agree with mac IP:70.119.76.62 | 2008-01-11 07:13:44
im more a fan from "Kill 'Em All" to "...And Justice For All"and "Garage Inc." was all right, but on that album , i like it because it has the whole "Grage Days Re-Revisited" album on it, which when i first got my hands on i loved, and of course "Black" album was great but from there on they went downhill, but i heard they're puttin anew cd out and supposedly, Lars Ulrich told Revolver Magazine that they're mind frame was send back in the old days the era that starts with an '8, so im waiting to see what thats gonna be like
russel IP:70.168.108.26 | 2008-01-16 12:02:05
dude...dave grohl is a stretch here...no one rocks harder than the foofighters...in an era where nickelback and linkin park are in the spotlight, dave grohl has managed to play legit rock and roll..
colour and the shape and there is nothing left to lose were REALLY good albums by the way...
Y do u CARE - U SUK!!!! IP:74.171.74.29 | 2008-01-28 17:58:14
Ur a fucking Dipshit Metallica not a SELLOUT!!!!!!!
BB - I agree with this dude above m IP:67.185.204.165 | 2008-02-14 20:15:42
Metallica did not sellout
Eric IP:24.131.80.190 | 2008-02-25 13:56:10
i think this is a pretty good list. Used to love weezer. I dont know if they sold out or just stopped writing good music. Slipknot sold out pretty hard. And he never said Dave was talentless, he said he sold out. Big difference. Sell outs are people who change their music or style to get more attention or money. Metallica is full of talented sellouts...
frumundacheese IP:142.165.226.241 | 2008-02-25 20:01:14
k seriously, kiss?? Ozzy frickin' osbourne?? all those 80's big hair bands?? haha or what about axl rose? haha poor axl. what a tool
alex IP:71.192.35.177 | 2008-02-28 17:28:47
metallica are not sellouts, they just went less hardcore and more bluesy. personally i like it. its not "metallica" anymore, but i love it.
Patrick - To alex IP:68.103.31.41 | 2008-03-09 14:53:40
Dude, what you said is the definition of sellout
micklovin - Im gonna have to agree IP:71.194.74.243 | 2008-03-26 00:06:10
Linkin Park does suck now compared to what they did...i dnt even think mr. hahn is in the band...tons better with hahn...you can kind of make a case for serj tankian but he's kind of a reach
josh - ughhh IP:96.13.198.61 | 2008-03-26 16:55:44
alright, just because SP made an album that wasn't as good as there others from the nineties [which obv. isn't easy to do seeing as they were all monster hits] does not make them a sellout. i understand that it isn't as good, but regardless,under all the pressure/criticism and the fact that 1/2 of the band wanted no part in the new album it still turned out pretty good.
and there is no reason he should be the number one.
Lisa - Metallica should be #1 IP:204.249.169.219 | 2008-04-02 14:35:23
I too was and still am a huge pumpkins fan and even though Billy Corgan has disappointed me time and time again, there is JUST NO WAY possible he is a bigger sell-out than Metallica.
nobody to you - this is pointless IP:216.249.145.193 | 2008-04-06 01:43:01
ok, i really wanted to agree with you on this but i just cant, because it is simply retarded. you can clame that all bands are sellouts once they sign any kind or contract with a major producer so just pointing out these 5 is just dumb, oh and dave grohl is a good artist, maybe his band is a little ovver rated but unfortunatly he isnt willing to kill himself to make is band popular.. cough cough Nirvana Cough cough i mean com'on
RatInACage10 - What?... IP:72.152.178.15 | 2008-04-07 12:06:30
Billy Corgan isn't a sell out, Green day is. The pumpkins new album was alright but he can not be a sell out. Change that.
Justin - wtf? IP:71.48.165.181 | 2008-04-08 16:12:33
Where the hell is kiss and green day???
graham - wtf IP:76.243.207.244 | 2008-04-11 18:35:51
i hate it when someone cuts all ties to such great artists just because of some mistake they make. these guys have been making music for years. you can't seriously expect them to create an infinite amount of masterpieces like cars on a conveyer belt. eventually they're going to run out of ideas. so what if the smashing pumpkins release a bad album? so what if fall out boy starts doing commercials? so what if blink182 split up to form bands that will never be as good as they were together? if things stayed the same forever, we'd still be living in log cabins and riding horse-drawn wagons. do you know why bands get thrown into the mainstream? BECAUSE THEY KICK ASS AND DESERVE TO HAVE THEIR VOICES HEARD BY THE PUBLIC! DUH! i adore some of these guys for their golden years, and even though i admit that they've all gone downhill at some point, it doesn't mean i'm going to disban everything about them and never listen to their music again. if you think that selling out means you abandoning them because you don't like this song or that album, then you've got a lot of growing up to do.
David Jackson IP:168.212.66.156 | 2008-04-21 11:24:28
Dude your fucking dumb kurt didnt kill himself tomake his band famous, Nirvana was the biggest band of the 90's when he was still alive. Plus as much as i love the guy, dave grohl did sell out in my opinion

nirvana for life!!!!!!
dontcare - hmmmm.... IP:67.142.130.23 | 2008-04-24 14:29:36
personally i dont think that dave grohl is a sell out...but it's ur opinion dude, so i dont think ur dumb...but i do believe green day should be on there..even though i like them a whole lot...but u cant blame bands for being sell outs....thanx dude for makin all these lists...helps me think of songs to download..u rock
gThoma23 - What??? IP:71.195.228.84 | 2008-05-04 14:34:19
I don't understand the discussion on sellouts, because if u sign a contract ur considered a sellout. so this list is gay.
first off, i thought Smashing Pumpkins Zeitgeist was amazing. his vocals were crazy. i might give u that there old stuff was better, but i still thought it was great.
next, Dave Grohl...how could u say he doesn't have talent? i thought he was a pretty damn good drummer, and his guitar isn't bad, and a great song writer.
and then ya had to go and put Metallica on there. Are u retarded? cause hell, u'd have to be to put them on there, unless this list was Greatest Metal Band. so what, they changed there sound/look, every band does. i can't think of too many that have been around near as long as them and didn't change. ya grow up, and some stuff just doesn't sound as good anymore. ur tellin me, that 25 years ago u liked the same music u do now? doubt it. and no1 has a gun to ur head, if u don't like the Black Album ect., then don't listen to it. i'm just glad they come out with new cd's so i can see 'em live.
Steve - Settle the score IP:125.236.44.45 | 2008-05-08 13:38:47
1. I say good work making this list. Must have taken a while to make.

2. Unfortunatley i only recognize Metalica and Weezer from those five and if i'm being brutally honest they would not be among the best sell-outs of rock.

3. There are other bands i know of that could easily take the place of any of your top five. For starters, the Red Hot Chilli Peppers.

4. If you really had something in mind when making this list as far as criteria are concerned you could've been more specific than "signed a contract."

5. You could've made a list that was a top 10 or a top 20 instead of just a top 5.

6.

7. I didn't know what to write for comment six so i just left it blank.

8. Have a nice day.
DT - LP IP:24.113.82.136 | 2008-05-09 00:45:17
I am a big LP fan, so rip on me for that if you like, but anyone who thinks they sold out should look a little deeper. They're experimenting while still blowing off a couple records to fill out WB's contract and get out of the restrictions from the label.

And Green Day should definately be in the top 3, and Modest Mouse. Though Modest Mouse seems liek they realized they went a little too far and are trying to get back to who they were.
rock music brains - I know best IP:210.86.45.250 | 2008-05-10 23:07:24
Where are the spice girls?
Ashley - I was about to be angry.. IP:71.87.96.139 | 2008-05-11 18:46:24
Dave Grohl is amazing. he is my hero... I was about to get really upset at you calling him and his band a 'sell out" but then i realized.. "best of you" was really shitty... and his older stuff was so much better.. I hope they don't turn into Metallica.. but even if they do.. I will always remember them for there great albums.
John S - Personally... IP:68.54.255.40 | 2008-05-13 01:59:15
I think Island In The Sun and We Are All On Drugs are two of Weezer's best songs ever. Island saved my life, and Drugs is a good commentary on our society. If that's selling out, then I'm all for it.
SPAZ - get it right!!! IP:123.113.70.47 | 2008-05-14 02:41:55
some of you seem to think growin and maturing musically is "selling out"!!! WROOOOONG!!! if a band changes their style to please somebody else, THAT is what should be considered "selling out"!!! now.. as far as Green Day not being on the list... THEY SHOULDN'T BE!!! they didn't sell out!! they grew as human beings, AND as a band!!! i'm not the hugest rock fan in the world, and i don't know the history of some of the bands you guys have mentioned, but if you use the TRUE definition of SELL OUT, you should be able to determine who really SOLD OUT!!
sin blin - message to TRC IP:99.237.14.129 | 2008-05-22 13:27:24
alright...i really enjoyed reading this list and i agree with it...but Dave Grohl is a bit of a stretch he hasnt really sold out Best Of You wasnt selling out it was more of a mistep...metallica are similliar but you can keep them on there hehe

thanks and keep up the good work!
JayDogg - Green Day IP:71.240.88.207 | 2008-05-23 19:11:40
Green Day was clearly an original band that revolutionized punk music and changed the way we viewed punk rockers. To call them sell outs is to call ALL punk bands who don't play underground sell outs. Has there music changed, absolutely, was it due to "their image" absoulutely not. It had everything to do with the changes going on in their lives. Green Day may be one of the best all around bands to ever exist!!
toolfan17 - grohl..seriously IP:204.83.137.159 | 2008-05-26 13:00:04
ok a few things to say....dave grohl didnt sell ouut, he is full of talent...some artists that did though..

KISS--ive always hated the sult that followed this band...and how they became glam metal...actually you can name many glam metal bands, for example 'the whole van halen situation.
Atreyu-- new album was atextbook "sellout album"
arguements can be made for many bands...for example ozzy's fight with sabbath..green day, serj tankian vs. daron malakian, silverchair, axel rose..maynard (i love tool but what was going on with puscifer?)
some bands change there sound for the good exploration of music though...prime examples such as in flames, weezer (in my opinion)...and this is the point im getting at...selling out isnt changing your sound for experimenting..if that was the case thrice would be number one...but selling out is changing for the fact of money..and like i stated earlier..number one man --> eddie van halen
randomchick33 - hello? IP:76.87.221.40 | 2008-05-30 15:32:21
How is fall out boy not on this list?? I mean most of their now ex-fans call them SELL OUT boy for a reason. i mean EVERY pic u see of them is pete wentz and the rest of the guys in the back!!! pete wentz isnt even the lead man!!! thats lame. its sad because the lead guy has such a great voice and they have so much potential.
The Rock Czar - Well... IP:68.48.35.138 | 2008-05-30 16:53:37
To be a sell out, you have to start with a certain amount of dignity. Fall out boy was pure crap from the start... the fact that they've only gotten worse is surprising, but it's not selling out...

TRC
Mistake correcter - Omg rock czar's wrong IP:125.236.44.50 | 2008-06-05 19:08:45
Fall Out Boy did indeed start out with dignity. First single was number one in eight countries and first album went triple platinum in the US and New Zealand.

Fall out boy is a sell-out!
Sarah IP:76.97.26.113 | 2008-06-12 11:13:19
This list is fucking stupid. It is not correct and any shape or form. So what of Billy Corgan made one not so good record, that doesn't mean he all the sudden becomes the biggest sell out. As far as I can tell green day should be on here.
Aaron IP:74.71.86.226 | 2008-06-24 17:38:56
personally, i love metallica's music, but thank god you put them on this list. i mean, i can listen to st. anger and some of the songs on it, but some of the crap on it is so useless when you consider master of puppets, the black album, ride the lightning, and kill 'em all. even garage, inc. was way better than that piece of shit and it was all covers. and don't even get me started on napster.

why isn't green day on this list? i mean, yeah, their new stuff isn't horrible, but it's not green day.
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